and other people would come on, and it’s committed now,
“罗诉韦德案”的判决已赋予了这项权利
committed to this right, given by the Roe v. Wade decision
没有任何法♥院♥的意见能够改变上帝的法律
No court opinion can change the law of God
必须探讨一切法律的可能性
Every legal possibility must be explored
以挑战美国最高法♥院♥的意见
to challenge the opinion of the United States Supreme Court
生命始于受孕
Life begins at conception
保护未出生的生命
Protect the life of the unborn
所以,只要没有纽约的法律,或者“罗诉韦德案”
So, as long as there was no New York law or no Roe v. Wade,
那么女人真的,你知道,就只是法外之徒
the woman was really, you know, an outlaw
她四处奔走,试图走一些违法的途径
She was moving around, trying to get some procedure that was against the law
没有人真的想要阻止她
And nobody really tried to stop her very much
但是当法♥院♥说
But when the Court said,
“你有权做出这个决定,你有权利定义你的生活”
“You have the right to make this decision. You have the right to define your life
不是宗教
Not religion”
这是不可接受的
That was unacceptable
滚出去!
Get out!
今天这里不会有任何谋杀
There won’t be any murder here today
所以,基♥督♥教♥徒♥已经参与了各种反堕胎运动
So, the Catholics were already involved with various pro-life things
但“拯救行动”确实源于福音派
But for Operation Rescue, the genesis really was more evangelical
我们欢欣鼓舞,主啊,哈利路亚,荣耀归于上帝
We rejoice, Lord. Hallelujah. Glory to God
这个名字来自箴言第24章第11节
The name comes from Proverbs 24:11
圣经中说,“拯救那些被不公正地判处死刑的人”
The Biblical verse that says, “Rescue those unjustly sentenced to die”
可以把其他人锁到这条管子上
Someone else can be hooked up to this pipe
今天这里不允许堕胎,今天不能有堕胎
There’ll be no abortions in here today. No abortions in here today
所以我们的座右铭是
And so our motto was,
“我们是在拯救今天被判死刑的无辜儿童”
“We’re here to rescue the innocent child sentenced to die today”
人们都到街上去,还有好几百人…
People out into the street. There’s hundreds more…
这是要即刻行动的事
It was a very immediate thing
几乎是军事援救行动
Almost militaristic. Operation Rescue
我们是来拯救这些婴儿的
We’re here to rescue these babies
法官,政客们
The judges, the politicians,
他们得到了信♥号♥♥,就像计生协会一样
they’re getting the signal, as is Planned Parenthood
合法杀害儿童的日子已经屈指可数了,我们会赢的
Legalized child killing’s days are numbered… We will win
这是一种现象
This is a phenomenon
这真的是我们基♥督♥信仰的额外工作
It was really an outworking of our Christian faith
所以,这是救援行动的中心
So, this is the epicenter of Operation Rescue
这曾经是一个堕胎诊所
This is a former abortion clinic
我们实际上占领了这个地方,这是一个堕胎工厂
We actually took this place that was an abortion mill
我们关闭了它,并改造它,现在变成我们的总部
We closed it down, we remodeled it, and now we’ve made it our headquarters
在我们关闭这个地方之前
Before we closed the place down,
产权线就在这条裂缝的正下方
the property line is right down on this crack
我们就站在这里
And we would stand right here
并说服那些来堕胎诊所的妇女们
and minister to the women that were going in this abortion clinic
如果越过这条线,我们就会被逮捕
If we stepped over the line, we’d be arrested
就像那样,被逮捕
Just like that, be arrested
救援行动组织动用了所有的资源
Operation Rescue has targeted Wichita with virtually all of its resources,
试图关闭威奇托市的三家堕胎诊所
attempting to close the city’s three abortion clinics
成千上万的人因为乔治•蒂勒而来到威奇托
Thousands of people came to Wichita, and that’s because of George Tiller
乔治•蒂勒的妇女保健服务诊所
George Tiller’s Women’s Health Care Services clinic
是美国实施晚期堕胎的三家诊所之一
is just one of three in the nation which perform late-term abortions
这个问题是全能的上帝的道义责任
The issue is a moral imperative from God Almighty
拯救那些被屠♥杀♥的人
to rescue those led to slaughter
这里的亲生命运动看起来比以往任何时候都要大
The pro-life movement here looks bigger than ever
联邦法警护送病人穿过抗♥议♥者进入诊所
Federal marshals were escorting patients through the protesters, into the clinic
“救援行动”确实导致了城市的停滞
Operation Rescue had really caused a shutdown in that city
我收到一条信息说
And I received a message saying that
菲尔•多纳休想让你在威奇托做个节目
Phil Donahue wants you to do a show in Wichita,
他想让你和兰德尔•特里一起参加
and he wants to do it with Randall Terry
所以,你知道,在这种情况下去威奇托
And so, you know, to go to Wichita in the midst of this,
我们就相当于深入龙潭虎穴
we were kind of going into the belly of the beaSt.
菲•沃莱顿,我这么跟你说
Faye Wattleton, I’m saying this to you
你已经背了你的种族
You have betrayed your race
当你想…当然了
When you think… Absolutely
堕胎对于黑人女性来说
To say that abortion for black women
是在帮助她们杀死自己的后代…
is somehow a favor to them to kill their offspring
像这样被描述为黑人种族灭绝
To be characterized as being engaged in black genocide is just what it is
这些煽动性的言辞旨在煽动争论
It’s incendiary rhetoric that was designed to inflame the debate
让我说完,菲
我无需你来告诉我
– Let me finish, Faye. – I do not need youto tell me
我的生活和身体选择是什么,因为我就是黑人
what my choices are about my life and my body because I am a black person
计划生育协会每年有十万例流产
Planned Parenthood does a hundred thousand abortions a year
他们杀害的孩子比这个国家的任何组织都多
They’ve killed more children than any organization in the country
我认为这关乎女性在社会中的地位
I think this really is about women’s status in society,
控制女性的行为,以及这种行为的限制
controlling women’s behavior and the limits of that behavior
任何导致流产的避孕药
Any contraceptive that is an abortive agent,
比如宫内节育器或避孕药,我认为都该被禁止
such as the IUD or the pill, I believe should be banned
事实上,特里先生已经透露了
Mr. Terry has in fact revealed
营救行动的最终日程都是这种形式… – 不
the ultimate agenda of Operation Rescue and all of its type. – No
这种情绪和激♥情♥围绕着堕胎
The emotion and the hot emotion is around abortion
这是谋杀,菲尔,这是我们法律的目的
It’s murder, Phil. That’s what we have laws for
它引发了很多关于性的冲突,而且…
It raises a lot of conflict around sexuality, and
毫无疑问,这是令人生畏的
without any question, it’s formidable
…必须由妇女和她的医生来做这个决定
…must be decided by the woman and her physician,
而不是兰德尔•特里和其他人
and not by Randall Terry and other people trying to make that decision
但最终的决定必须是女性
But the ultimate decider here must remain women
这就是我们真正为之奋斗的目标
And that’s what we’re really fighting for
如果堕胎是非法的
If abortion is illegal,
那些实施堕胎的人会怎样?特里先生?
what happens to those who perform the abortion? Mr. Terry?
这么说吧,等这一切结束后,乔治•蒂勒医生会坐很久的牢
Let me say this. Dr. George Tiller’s gonna do hard time when this is all over
他是一个杀人狂,他是人类的敌人
He is a mass murderer. He is an enemy of humanity
堕胎斗争已经发生了激烈的转变
The abortion battle has taken a violent turn
那是一连串的枪声…
It was just one round after another…
乔治•蒂勒医生被一名抗♥议♥者枪击
Dr. George Tiller shot by a protester.
我们对此不承担任何责任
We take no blame for this
这归咎于杀害儿童的行业
The blame rests with the child-killing industry
正是他们杀害了儿童,在人们心中滋生了挫败感
They’re the ones that are killing children and breeding such frustration in people
我们不知道枪声从哪来,只听到不停的射击声…
We didn’t know where the gunshots was coming from…Just shootin’ and shootin’
两名妇女在波士顿被杀
Two women were killed in Boston
一名医生在彭萨科拉被杀
A doctor was killed in Pensacola.
然后一名医生和一名随行人员被杀
Then a doctor and an escort were killed
两枚炸♥弹♥在亚特兰大的一家堕胎诊所引爆
Two bombs rocked an abortion clinic in Atlanta
每一家堕胎诊所都是那些参与者的潜在目标
Every abortion clinic is a potential target for those who would do this
在那一刻,我认为,有一种引力从运动中产生
And at that point, I think, there was a gravity that came out of the movement
我们在98年又失去了一位医生
We lost another doctor in ’98
在2009年,我们失去了蒂勒医生
And we lost Dr. Tiller in 2009
乔治•蒂勒医生在堪萨斯州威奇托的教堂被枪杀
Dr. George Tiller was shot dead at his church in Wichita, Kansas
一名男子在路德教堂冷血地枪杀了他
A man shot him in the Lutheran church,in cold blood
嫌疑犯已被拘留,现在警方…
The suspect is in custody, and right now the police
你真的需要考虑,你从事这样的事
And you really have to think about this,that you would do this kind of thing
这真是太惊人了,真是太惊人了
That’s really astonishing. That’s just astonishing
在你信仰的经历中
Did there come a point in time where your faith,
你的宗教信仰曾在某个时刻改变过吗?
your religious beliefs changed?
是的
Yes
我一直在看700俱乐部
I had been watching The 700 Club regularly
因为婴儿是按照全能的上帝的形象制♥造♥的
‘Cause that baby is made in the image of God Almighty
我独自呆在起居室里…
I was alone in my living room, and
那一天,我跪下来,接受了基♥督♥作为我的救主
that day I kneeled down and I did accept Christ as my savior at that time
宗教可以使人发疯,它真的可以
Religion can make people crazy. It really can
这可能是美妙的,但也可能是难以置信的不宽容
And it can be wonderful, but it can also be just incredibly intolerant
所有那些在诊所射杀别人的人,他们都是虔诚的教♥徒♥
All those people who shot these people at the clinics and so on, they were all religious
与这家诊所和蒂勒医生的关系,对我来说真的很重要
The tie that this clinic has to Dr. Tiller is really important to me
你知道,即使面对我们的一个从业者被暗♥杀♥的情况
You know, that even in the face of assassinating one of our providers,
我们仍然会提供治疗,因为妇女仍然值得这种治疗
we were still gonna provide that care because women still deserve that care
我们会为你做检查,确保一切正常
And we do a checkup for you, make sure everything’s okay
好的
Right
有很多创伤记忆是关于堕胎运动中发生的事
There’s a lot of traumatic memory of things that have happened in the abortion movement,
在被轰炸的诊所中,医疗服务提供者成为了目标
of clinics being bombed, providers being targeted
你是个凶手,该让自己的灵魂下地狱
You are a killer, condemning your own soul to hell
你知道,你的家庭有可能成为目标
You know, the potential that your family will be targeted
约翰逊大夫在我们的城市里杀害儿童
Dr. Johnson has been killing children in our city
这些人可能会出现在你家,或者你孩子的学校
That people may show up at your home or at your kids’ school