BBC.英伦朋克（2012）（3）

在”烂牙”离开性手♥枪♥乐队后
You know, everybody was waiting
所有人都翘首以盼 期待”烂牙”的新歌♥
for Rotten’s new record, after leaving the Pistols,
做出的新音乐会是什么样子呢
what was it going to be like?
当他复出并发布新单曲《公众形象公♥司♥》时
When he came back with the single Public Image Ltd,
就好像…
it was just like…
*What you wanted was never made clear*
*Behind the image was ignorance and fear.*
美国飞鸟乐队于1965-67年间发展的
迷幻摇滚音乐类型
利文的猛击 飞鸟乐队式音乐
Leven’s…smacked-out, Byrds,
琶音吉他…
arpeggio guitar…
*Public image…*
但还不止于此 这是摇滚乐
But more than that, right, it was rock music,
但又不是像性手♥枪♥或冲撞乐队那样的摇滚乐
but it wasn’t rock music like the Pistols or The Clash,
它并不传统 而是离开了那个阶段
it wasn’t traditional like that, it was like a departure.
像是一种跨进未来的方式
It was like a way into the future.
*I’m not the same as when I began*
*I will not be treated as property*
*Public image.*
非常欢迎公众形象公♥司♥乐队参加《来看看》
Public Image Ltd, very warm welcome to Check It Out.
公众形象公♥司♥这个名字你是从哪里得来的灵感
Where did you get the name Public Image Ltd from?
绝大多数要采访我的人
Most people who would interview me
对我态度都不好
had a negative attitude towards me,
所以…这又是一场我为了清楚表达观念
and so it was… Again, it was another battle I had to take on
而不可不打的仗
in order to get my point across.
我没必要向任何人解释我自己
I don’t have to explain myself to anybody,
我也不想费力解释
and I ain’t going to bother.
既然我被邀请到这里来
Now, I was asked here, right,
与公众形象公♥司♥乐队一起接受采访
to interview with the band here, PiL,
但我们遇到了一个小气鬼 可笑的审问环节
but now we’re facing a cheapskate, comedy interrogation act
这样不好玩 老兄
and it just ain’t on, pal.
被人们一遍遍地认定为无知的大老粗
It was relentlessly tedious to be presumed to be
真的是乏味透顶了
a thick, ignorant oik, over and over again.
我们似乎在哪里听过这个故事
Well, it sounds like we’ve heard this story before.
真的吗 你能告诉我你在哪儿听到的吗
Really, would you like to tell me where?
-晚安 -晚安
– Good night. – Good night.
他们不想听关于歌♥曲的阐释
They didn’t want an explanation of the songs.
他们不想知道这是一种持续的力量
They didn’t want to know that this was an ongoing force
是一种需要认真考虑的事情
and something to be reckoned with,
都源自于一个相当善良的人
and all coming from a really nice person!
不拍了 不拍了
Cop out. Cop out.
万幸 做那场采访的不是我
Well, I’m pleased I didn’t pick the short straw for THAT interview.
倘若将后朋克的风格定义为暗黑偏执
If post-punk was characterised by darkness and paranoia,
1978年的英国正是其完美背景
Britain in ’78 was the perfect backdrop.
卡拉汉的社♥会♥主♥义♥政♥府♥正处于
As the fag-end of Callaghan’s socialist Government
精疲力尽的执政末期
played out,
通运工会
罢♥工♥警戒线
各地工会超负荷运转[组织罢♥工♥]the trade unions went into overdrive,
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英国爆发了”不满的冬天”
creating a “Winter of Discontent”.
ABS正式罢♥工♥
我觉得资本主义是在崩溃而不是衰落
Well, I think capitalism was collapsing rather than fading,
柯塞·芬尼·图蒂
跳动软骨乐队
但在撒切尔上台后又有了支撑
and then was going to be shored up when Thatcher got in.
那时候的气氛真的很绝望
You know, the climate at the time was pretty desperate.
大家一周上三天班 没人收垃圾
People were on three-day weeks, no rubbish collections.
*How many dead or alive?*
那时候的英国就像是一个非常凄惨的
England was a very, very miserable,
被烧毁的石油钻井平台
burnt-out oil rig, basically.
*How many dead or alive?*
Wire – Pink Flag
那时候来了一个美国摄影师
There was an American photographer came over,
他和我们在莱斯特广场拍一个宣传片
and we did a promo shoot with him in Leicester Square,
格雷厄姆·路易斯 柯林·纽曼
电报乐队
那时候的莱斯特广场
when Leicester Square was,
堆满了大概有八袋深的垃圾
I don’t know, eight bin bags deep.
就像是由垃圾袋堆起来的墙
It was just like walls of bin bags,
那天伦敦湿漉漉灰蒙蒙的
it was like a rainy, grey day in London,
黑色垃圾袋上都是鸟屎
with starling shit all over these black bin bags.
我觉得臭死了
I think it stinks,
和这个国家发生的每一次由肮脏的社♥会♥主♥义♥
like all the other damn strikes in this country,
共♥产♥主义联盟发动的该死的罢♥工♥一样
run by the filthy, socialist, communist unions.
这样说一点都不夸张
It is not an exaggeration to say
这个国家就在内战的边缘
the country was on the verge of civil war.
乔恩·金
四人乐队
事实上 那段时间最偏执的说法
In fact, the most paranoid voices at that time
认为政♥府♥已经
believed that the Government
计划实施戒♥严♥
was planning to bring in martial law.
军队和政♥府♥里肯定有一撮
There was a certainly a cabal
政♥治♥阴谋小集团准备这么做了
within the army and the establishment to do that.
我觉得保守党里是有这么一支武装派
I think there was an armed wing of the Tory Party
马克·斯图尔特
流行乐团乐队
在试图组织政♥变♥
that were trying to organise a coup
推♥翻♥那时候执政的工党政♥府♥
at the time of the Labour Government.
有一本书就叫做《一次地道的英国式政♥变♥》
There’s a book called A Very British Coup,
还拍成了电影
and there’s a film about it.
一次地道的英国式政♥变♥
正如戴安娜王妃所说
As Lady Di said,
有一股黑暗势力扎根在英国政♥治♥中心
there’s dark forces at heart in British politics.
我最喜欢的一部那段时期的电影
One of my favourite films from that era
是克里斯·佩提导演的《电台》
is called Radio On, by Chris Petit.
是一部黑白电影
It’s filmed in black and white.
描绘的也可以说是五十年代
It could be, like, the ’50s almost.
一切看上去都非常灰暗 非常悲观
Everything seemed very grey and very pessimistic.
那部电影最棒的地方当然是
What was great about that film, of course,
由发电厂乐团做的配乐《放射性》
was the soundtrack was Radioactivity by Kraftwerk
德国电子音乐乐团 成立于1969年
丹尼尔·米勒
正常人组合
这首歌♥把所有东西打乱
which really threw the whole thing
搅成一个完全不一样的古怪东西
into a completely different, weird spin.
后朋克最关键的一样成分
One of the key ingredients of post-punk
就是如万花筒般勇敢地
would be the fearless assimilation
吸收同化不同音乐风格的能力
of a kaleidoscope of musical styles.
朋克提倡自己动手
Punk had championed DIY,
而后朋克让其成为未来之音
and post-punk made it the sound of the future.
*Radioactivity…*
我想大部分朋克都讨厌音响合成器
Well, I think punks hated synthesisers generally,
从某种意识形态上来说吧
from a, kind of, ideological point of view,
因为如果你看看那时候玩音响合成器的方法
because if you looked at the uses of synthesisers in those days,
都是前卫摇滚乐队故意弹得很快
it was in prog rock bands to play very fast,
一种伪经典的即兴表演
pseudo-classical riffs.
对我来说 音响合成器是很朋克的乐器
You know, to me, the synthesiser felt like a punk instrument,
因为它比吉他好弹多了
because it was much easier to play than a guitar,
你只需要摆弄几个钮 弹个音符
and you just had to twiddle a few knobs, play one note.
就能得到一段不错的旋律
You get a half-decent sound
外加一个还说得过去的点子 一首歌♥就诞生了
and a half-decent idea and you had a song.
英国流行电音乐团 成立于1977年
现在 如果你听人类联盟合唱团的歌♥
Now, if you listen to people like Human League,
或是任何对那时候的音乐
or anybody who were completely disillusioned
不再抱幻想的人的歌♥
with the music of the time,
就会发现音响合成器是合理的选择
felt the synthesiser was a logical place to go next.
人类联盟合唱团在打扮和音乐上
The Human League were so far removed
都和朋克相去甚远
in look and sound,
即使是朋克之王自己
that even the king of punk himself
都难以在其中找到任何共鸣
had trouble spotting kindred spirits.
The Human League – The Path Of Least Resistance
*Faced with the choice*
*What would you say*
*The path of least resistance*
*It seems the only way.*
当《煮沸》这首歌♥出来的时候
When Being Boiled came out,
约翰·里顿在给《新音乐快递》做点评
John Lydon was doing the reviews at NME,
马丁·韦尔
人类联盟合唱团 天堂17乐队
那时候他就像是国王一样
which at that time was like the emperor going…yeah?
他看完了所有评论之后说
And he’s gone into all these reviews and said,
“这全都是垃圾”
“Oh, it’s bloody rubbish,”
当说到《煮沸》这首歌♥的时候
and it comes round to Being Boiled,
他只是说”该死的嬉皮士”
and he just said, “Bloody hippies.”
就这几个字 我说”你确定吗 约翰”
Two words. I’m going, “Are you sure, John?”
因为本质上说 这和那时候
Because essentially, this is the difference
伦敦搞的音乐很不同
between the kind of London scene, as it was at the time,
对他们来说 他们还依然处在