维基解密-背后的秘密（2011）

如果维基解密里有一个反犹太分子
If there was any involvement of an anti- semite in Wikileaks,
为什么没有人告诉我
why didn’t anyone tell me?
因为我绝不会和这样的人一起工作
Because I would not work with such a guy.
沙米尔无视我们对其罪行的提问
Shamir ignored our question about his conviction,
却在网上发表
but wrote online,
我不会为一个人是犹太人就对其心生恨意
I harbour no hate to a Jew, because he is a Jew.
但我确实对犹太世界观怀有多方面的非难
However, I do criticise various aspects of the jewish world view.
我们向朱利安询问关于沙米尔
We asked Julian about Shamir
以及其他我们在节目中产生的问题
and all the other points we raised in the programme.
他并未给出回应
He did not reply.
但他的律师已经
But his lawyers have accused
就使用盗窃信息起诉潘诺勒马和丹尼尔
both Panorama and Daniel of using stolen documents.
原告却是25万美国电缆的拥有者
Strange from a man who got 250,000 American cables.
是时候找他聊聊了
Time to catch up with him.
柏克尔斯警♥察♥局
朱利安
Julian?
朱利安 你为什么不同潘诺勒马对话
Julian, why won’t you not talk to Panorama?
过去的两个月里
For the last two months,
他都要到这个警♥察♥局来报告
he has had to report to this police station.
我们已经离他最近了
This was as close as we could get.
朱利安 你依然站在沙米尔先生这边吗
Julian, do you still stand by Mr. Shamir?
上周一法庭听审了反对朱利安引渡瑞士
Last week, a court heard Julian’s case against
指控其强♥奸♥和性侵犯的案子
extradition to Sweden on allegations of rape and sexual assault.
10天后他将得知自己的命运
He will learn his fate in 10 days’ time.
在伊♥拉♥克♥资料发布前
Birgitta left wikileaks
布里吉塔离开了维基解密
before the release of the Iraq warlocks.
丹尼尔和其他人也是如此
So did Daniel and others,
他们带走了软件
taking with them software
此软件能保证告密者在维基解密的安全
which made Wikileaks safe for whistleblowers.
维基解密表示基于丹尼尔的行为暂停其职务
Wikileaks say they suspended Daniel concerned about his conduct
并控告他恶意破坏
and they accuse him of sabotage,
而丹尼尔否认这项指控
which he denies.
不论怎样
Either way,
目前在线维基解密已因泄密而关闭
Wikileaks online is now closed for leaks.
丹尼尔已经发布了自己的网站
Daniel has now launched his own website,
公开解密
公开解密
OpenLeaks.
你的出发点是与维基解密对立
Aren’t you setting up in opposition to Wikileaks,
而因此你是对立者吗
and therefore, you are the opposition?
你的所作所为 可能是在巧妙地
So what you are doing, cunningly, perhaps
击垮维基解密以建立自己的公开解密吗
is knocking down Wikileaks so that you can build up OpenLeaks?
不 这不是我们的目的
No, that is not what we are doing.
我认为 总的来说中♥央♥集权无益
I believe that generally, centralism is not good.
社会存在的问题的解决方法唯一
It is not good if there is only one solution
也是无益的
for a problem that exists in society.
而我也非常乐于看到
And I would be more than happy to see
维基解密在今后的繁荣发展
Wikileaks flourish in the future, too.
在今天下午收到的一份陈述中
In a statement received this afternoon,
维基解密告表示他们不想参加这个节目
Wikileaks told us they did not want to take part in the programme
他们说 因为我们在重复
because we are repeating, they say,
低俗刻薄且完全虚假报道
sleazy, acrid and completely false claims.
对于他的支持者们来说
To his supporters,
朱利安·阿桑奇 无论有何过错 已然改变了世界
Julian Assange, however flawed, has changed the world.
事实在于维基解密是一个开拓者
The thing here is Wikileaks is a pioneer.
若你身为一名开拓者
When you are a pioneer,
错误是无法避免的
you do make mistakes.
我认为 人们应该理解
And I think that one needs to have a bit of understanding
开拓者们也会犯错这一点
that pioneers do make mistakes,
这也是破旧立新的一部分
that’s part of breaking new ground.
然而在改变世界的同时
But when we are changing the world,
也要面对审查 肩负责任
comes scrutiny and responsibility
而他将会面对更多这样的考验
and that’s something it’s going to face more of.