维基解密-背后的秘密（2011）

The companies say they are concerned
对维基解密的合法性有所质疑
about the legality of what Wikileaks is doing.
天呐
Jesus Christ!
现在 朱利安的新闻频繁见报
Buy now, Julian cannot pick up a paper without seeing himself.
这是《卫报》 都是头版新闻
the Guardian, has it all again. The front page.
还频频成为电视新闻的主角
Or move without a camera being pointed at him.
朱利安 我们能谈谈你的生活吗
Can we talk about, Julian, your life?
-你现在充满压力的生活方式 -不行
– The way you have to live because of the pressures. – No.
这采访究竟是针对我个人还是维基解密
Is it an interview about me or interview about Wikileaks.
我无法两面都谈
I can’t tell you about both.
你在这三家的报纸都是头版头条
You got your own at the topic for three pages,
还有《泰♥晤♥士♥报♥》
and the Times.
我成了这个国家的贱民
I am untouchable now for this country.
贱民
Untouchable?
他的财产被冻结了
Now he is not just holding power to account,
但他仍拥有基本人身权利
but has power in his own right.
如何使用就是他的问题了
How he handles it matters.
我对他的评价是
I sometimes described him as
智商极高 情商奇低
somebody with an incredibly high IQ and a remarkably low EQ.
-情商 -对
– Emotional Intelligence? – Yes.
我觉得他的思想和感受
I think he is underdeveloped in a sense when
很难与其他人取得共鸣
it comes to having compassion to how other people feel or think,
所以他总是乐于
where as he can always have
与别人进行理性辩论
an interest in an intellectual debate with you.
他是一个能为了信仰 抛家舍业
You are talking about a man who has given up his home,
背井离乡 甚至流亡海外的人
family and even his homeland for something he believes in.
不是每个人都会为坚定的信仰
Not many people would live in a suitcase
而选择四海为家
for a course they believe in so deeply.
而伯吉塔·琼斯多蒂尔和丹尼尔则开始担心
But Birgitta Jonsdottir and Daniel were becoming worried about
维基解密公开性的不足
the lack of openness at Wikileaks.
维基解密的宗旨是增加信息透明度
Wikileaks fights for transparency.
但我还在那的时候
And when I was there,
组织本身的透明度却很低
there was very little transparency about it.
当时组织规模还很小 可以理解
I could understand it when it was tiny,
但随着它的成功
but with its success,
变得具有影响力
it became very powerful.
这样的权力就不能不受监督
You cannot let power remain unchecked.
维基解密日益加剧的内部分歧中
The growing dissent inside Wikileaks led to
诞生了这样一条聊天记录
a row online by instant message.
丹尼尔指责朱利安
Julian accused Daniel of
向媒体泄露了丹尼尔不愿公布的信息
leaking to the press something Daniel denies.
丹尼尔则挑战朱利安的领导方式
Daniel challenged Julian about his leadership style.
朱利安非常不满
Julian did not like that.
你让朱利安
So you say to Julian,
不要逼问谁接受了采访
stop shooting at messengers.
朱利安:我已经这么做了
Julian – I have had it.
丹尼尔:同样地
Daniel – Likewise,
看来你不只针对我
and that does not just go for me.
朱利安:如果你不回答
Julian – If you do not answer the question,
将会被开除
you will be removed.
丹尼尔:你不是谁的救世主
Daniel – You are not anyone’s king or God.
他继续说
And then he goes on.
朱利安:将你停职一个月
Julian – You were suspended for one month,
立即生效
effective immediately.
你:哈哈
You – Haha!
他最后说: 如果你要上诉
And then he finishes off – If you wish to appeal,
可在周二提出
you will be heard on Tuesday.
这是怎么回事
What was that about?
这件事的背景是 我询问他
The background of this was that I was asking him about
是通过何种方式
what specific deals he had made with media
与媒体协调发布会的相关事宜
in respect to collaboration on releases.
我只想知道 他和谁一起解决这个问题
I just wanted to know what he had been working out with whom,
但他拒绝回答
and he refused.
就引出了这段谈话
He took this whole occasion of talking to me
他说我没有权利质问他
to tell me that I was not allowed to ask questions to him,
他也没有义务回答我
that he does not have to answer to me.
他就是这么霸道
He has this weird hierarchy.
他不知道的是 在他被训斥时
What he did not know while he was being disciplined
朱利安正与一个声名狼藉的人在一起
was that Julian was dealing with a man with a very unsavoury reputation.
他是维基解密在俄♥罗♥斯♥的联络人
He is a Wikileaks associate in Russia
声称能得到全部25万份
who claims to have access to all 250,000
泄露的美国外交电报
of the leaked US cables,
他在选择当地的媒体
which he selects for the region’s media.
他就是伊斯雷尔·沙米尔
His name, Israel Shamir.
未来不是建立在
The future is not something
某一个人的努力上
which exists independently of the efforts,
你我独自努力是不够的
of your effort and my effort.
要靠我们大家共同努力
The future is something we do together.
谁的未来啊
Whose future exactly?
这位是亚历山大·卢卡申科
Meet Alexander Lukashenko,
前苏联白俄♥罗♥斯♥共和国总统
the President of the Former Soviet Republic of Belarus.
他被称作欧洲最后的独♥裁♥者
He has been described as the last dictator in Europe.
去年12月举♥行♥的选举
The elections that took place last year in December
暴露了亚历山大·卢卡申科的本质
showed just what Alexander Lukashenko is made of.
卢卡申科逮捕了700名平民
Lukashenko arrested 700 citizens,
示♥威♥者 记者
protesters, journalists,
反对党领袖和成员
politicians and members of the opposition.
欧盟和美国
And the EU and America have both
都对卢卡申科发出了入境限制
now introduced to travel bans on Lukashenko.
欧盟已冻结了他的财产
The EU has frozen his assets.
这本该是维基解密关注的内容
Exactly. The sort of chap Wikileaks would want to target.
但在网上 它的联络人沙米尔
But online, its associate Shamir
不仅赞扬这个政♥权♥
not only praises the regime
还利用泄密的外交电文
but also uses a Wikileaks cable
声称美国为反对党提供了资金支持
to suggest that America is bankrolling the opposition
还声称人♥权♥组织
and that, say the human rights group,
才会危及民♥主♥活动人士的安全
could endanger democracy activists.
伊斯雷尔·沙米尔利用他的特殊身份
Israel Shamir is using his privileged position
维基解密在白俄♥罗♥斯♥和东欧的联络人
as Wikileaks his conduit in Belarus and Eastern Europe
帮助指挥他的邪恶政♥权♥
to support dictate-ship of vicious regime.
维基解密应该意识到
It should worry Wikileaks
它该担忧自己的名字会被这样使用
that they could name is being used in this way.
维基解密声称沙米尔从未为他们工作
Wikileaks say Shamir has never worked for them
他们并不支持他的说法
and they do not endorse his writing.
沙米尔坚称他是被抹黑的
Shamir claims he is being smeared
他也为反对派媒体提供电缆
and that he also supplied cables to opposition media.
我们还发现沙米尔
We have also discovered that Shamir,
关于伊斯雷尔·沙米尔的警告
虽然出生于俄♥罗♥斯♥
though born in Russia,
却于2008年被法国法庭宣判
was convicted of stirring up hatred against Jews
煽动仇恨犹太人罪 席间他并未出庭
in his absense by a French court in 2008.
一年前有人警告朱利安注意沙米尔的观点
Julian was warned about Israel Shamir’s views a year earlier.
潘诺勒马泄漏了这个 维基解密的一个秘密
Panorama has been leaked this. It’s a Wikileaks secret.
它里面有一封来自朱利安·阿桑奇的邮件
On it is an e-mail from Julian Assange.
内容如下
It reads as follows
亲爱的伊斯雷尔或亚当
Dear Israel/Adam,
有人写信说如果维基解密同伊斯雷尔·沙米尔
someone wrote to say they refused to associate with an organisation
这样的反犹太分子合作 就谢绝往来
that would work with an anti-semite like Israel Shamir.
朱利安继续写到
Julian goes on,
从你书信的简单说明中
from a brief sampling of your writing,
我并未找到这项指控的证据
I did not find the allegation borne out.
我觉得他们具有说服力并富有同情心
I found the samples to be strong and compassionate.
然后朱利安给出了一个解决方法
Julian went on to suggest a solution –
给沙米尔在维基解密上用个假名
that Shamir are right for Wikileaks under another name.
而这方法看似很好用
And that sound handy,
因为他有不少假名
because he has a few of them.
其中包括亚当·伊曼和约兰·约曼
Among them, Adam Ermash and Joran Jermas
不论是谁
Whatever the name,
两个月前有人拍到朱利安和沙米尔在一起
Julian and Shamir were photographed together two months ago.
这个人是怎么参与进来的
How in hell is that guy involved,
而我为什么对此毫不知情
and why didn’t I know about this?