迈克尔·杰克逊的旅程：由摩城到《墙外》（2016）

如果没尖叫 迈克尔会非常敏感 哭得稀里哗啦
Then, if you don’t scream, Michael get real sensitive and cry on your ass.
他的歌♥曲《她离开了我的生活》都是这么唱的…
Ever hear that record, She’s Out of My Life? Michael goes…
Tito, give me some tissue.
蒂托 给我些纸巾
我有过一次机会 听到原始录音带
And I had an opportunity to listen to the stems
他试唱了好几遍
where he was trying different takes.
他也为把歌♥曲搞糟了而道歉
And he actually apologizes for messing the song up.
抱歉 我搞糟了
I’m sorry, I messed it up.
多神奇啊 他每次唱都会哭
It was amazing, ’cause every time he sang it, he cried
我也想弄清他到底经历过怎样的一段关系
and I was trying to figure out what relationship he had, you know
才让他对这首歌♥如此有感触
that he could identify with that song.
他哭了两三次
He did it two or three times.
我说「就应该这样 就让它这样吧」
I said, “That’s the way it’s supposed to be,” and just let it stay in there.
一个稍逊色的制♥作♥人 会充分利用其最大价值
A lesser producer would’ve milked it for all its worth
会充分利用表演的价值
would’ve milked all that drama for all its worth.
相信我 如果《她离开了我的生活》是帕费制♥作♥的话
Trust me, if Puffy would’ve produced She’s Out of My Life
他会让整个…
Puffy would’ve had the whole…
会让纸巾品牌赞助巡演的
He would’ve had Kleenex, like, sponsor the tour.
大家都想知道「他为什么哭」
You had people talking about, “Well, what was he crying about?
他唱的是谁 是在唱波姬小丝吗
“Who was he talking about? Is he talking about Brooke Shields?
他唱的是哪位女孩 难道还是那只叫做本的老鼠
“What girl is he talking about? Is he still talking about Ben, that rat?”
我们看到他和斯蒂芬妮米尔斯公开约会
We’d seen him out publicly with Stephanie Mills
还有塔图姆奥尼尔
we’d seen him out with Tatum O’Neal
还有《脱线家族》里的穆琳麦考密克
with Maureen McCormick from The Brady Bunch.
女孩子们会聚在一起讨论「真想知道他唱的是谁」
Girls would get together and like, “I wonder who he’s talking about.”
明白吗
You know what I mean?
你会去翻《虎扑》杂♥志♥
And you would look at the Tiger Beat magazine
找有关他的绯闻之类的
to look for the gossip and everything.
是谁让迈克尔哭了 我们就是这么想的
“Who made Michael cry?” That’s how we took it.
当然不是我让他哭的 我是不可能让他哭的
Not that I made Michael cry, ’cause I would never make Michael cry.
在我看来《她离开了我的生活》
She’s Out of My Life is, in my opinion
是《疯狂》中的两首 连《颤栗》都无法超过的歌♥之一
one of the two songs on Off the Wall that there’s nothing on Thriller that tops it.
「寂静风暴」在70年代很盛行
Quiet storm was huge in the 1970s
是黑人音乐的一种电台形式
which was a kind of radio format of black music
推崇亲密 欲望 环境的柔软和安静
that celebrated intimacy and sensuality, and ambient softness and quiet, too.
《我情不自禁》就属于「寂静风暴」
I Can’t Help It was really the quiet storm demographic, right.
讲述的就是那种深夜闺房♥之爱
It was really the kind of late-night, boudoir romance thing.
那是第一次 在我听来迈克尔像是个成年人了
It’s the first time that you really hear Michael, to me, sounding like an adult
不再只唱R&B 而是爵士乐
and sounding outside of his R&B thing, it’s jazzy.
苏珊耶格林开始加入歌♥曲创作
Susaye Greene had started working on it.
她是「至上女声组合」的成员 不过也和史落夫合唱
She was in The Supremes, but also sung with Stevie.
这首歌♥和《生命之歌♥》专辑并不吻合
It could’ve fit on Songs ln the Key of Life, really.
史蒂夫汪达和苏珊耶格林 《我情不自禁》共同作曲
那首歌♥本来应该放在《生命之歌♥》这张专辑里的
That was supposed to be one of the songs on Songs ln the Key of Life.
我都不知道呢
See, I didn’t know that.
He had the…
他有…
那种魅力
The hook.
她应该写了不少歌♥词
I think she wrote a lot of the lyric
我们在录音室里闲混着创作这首歌♥
when we actually were in the studio messing around with it.
是啊
That’s right.
法瑞尔威廉姆斯 创作人 / 作曲 / 歌♥手
《我情不自禁》是我最喜欢的歌♥ 史蒂夫做得太好了
I Can’t Help It is my favorite. Stevie overdid it with that song.
和♥弦♥很适合夜晚
The nature of the chords are very nocturnal.
听上去可没有什么大晴天的感觉
You know, it doesn’t sound like a sunny day to me.
听着像是一个美丽的仙境之夜
It sounds like, you know, beautiful paradise evening, you know.
是个未被人类污染的地方
Somewhere untainted by the humans, you know.
是个神秘的世界 独角兽走来走去
Mystical world, you know, unicorns walking past and shit.
史蒂夫汪达 & 蕾妮哈达威
我妹妹蕾妮听过我演奏这盘磁带
My sister, Renee, had been hearing me play this cassette.
她是迈克尔的朋友 她把歌♥拿去
She and Michael were friends, and she took it over.
给了迈克尔听 我很高兴他做到了
Then Michael, he heard it and I think it was great that he did it.
他做得非常棒
I mean, really, he did an incredible job.
歌♥曲旋律十分具有吸引力
The melodies are very seductive.
其中有典型的史蒂夫的歌♥词
They carry some of those signature Stevie lines
也有史蒂夫的独特和♥弦♥
but also there’s signature Stevie chords.
我对这张专辑很有信心
I really believed in the album.
首先我对迈克尔杰克逊有信心
First of all, I believed in Michael Jackson.
史蒂夫汪达 我很喜欢史蒂夫汪达
Stevie Wonder, I love Stevie Wonder.
和史蒂夫汪达合作 有他参与录音
Being with Stevie Wonder, being in his sessions
我坐在那里学习着 都觉得真的不可思议
just sitting in and learning just was incredible.
现在再播放《我情不自禁》
You could put on I Can’t Help It right now
我依然还是能找到之前没听到的东西 或者让我想起什么
and I’d still find something that I haven’t heard or it will remind me of something
或者是低音的温暖感觉 能将你冲刷一遍
or the warmth of the bass line would just kind of wash over you.
可以说…这种音乐永远听不腻
It’s just like… You don’t get sick of that music.
1977年 我参与录音
I did a record, back in 1977.
我们共同作曲了《情不自禁爱上你》
We did It’s The Falling ln Love, we co-wrote it together.
-你还参与了演奏 -是的
-And I know you played on it. -Yeah.
-我的录音是个不错的小样 -小样
-I think my record served as a nice demo. -Demo.
昆西琼斯的人才库里帕蒂奥斯汀是位歌♥手
Patti Austin was a singer in the Quincy Jones arsenal.
我第一次听到帕蒂奥斯汀的声音 就是她唱《情不自禁爱上你》时
The very first time that I heard Patti Austin’s voice was It’s The Falling ln Love.
对于某个时代的一张唱片来说 让其具有时代感的
The thing that really steeps a record in its era and that could make it sound dated
很大程度上依赖于当时的技术
is relying heavily on very specific technology of the time.
在80年代 主要就是门式混响
And in the ’80s, it was very much about gated reverbs
70年代就是大型的迪斯科拍手
and in the late ’70s, you had these big, massive disco claps.
这张专辑可能是一张偏离了
This album was, perhaps, maybe one false step away
复古迪斯科概念的专辑
from being a very dated disco record.
其中没有那种戏法 花招
It didn’t have any of those tricks or gimmicks.
尽管编曲干净利落 还加入了各种打击乐器
Even though it was immaculately arranged, and all the percussive parts
这些部分结合起来
and all the way the parts worked together
只不过是一帮伙计 在一间房♥里演奏出这首歌♥而已
there’s nothing other than a bunch of dudes playing the shit out of a song in a room.
永远不会过时
That will never date.
从很多方面来说《疯狂》都是经典迪斯科的巅峰之作
ln a lot of ways, Off the Wall is probably the culmination of classic disco.
发行于1979年8月
It came out in August 1979
当年七月开始兴起「厌烦迪斯科」运动
the “Disco Sucks” movement started just a month before, in July
史蒂夫达尔 MLUP广播DJ 伊利诺斯州芝加哥 1979年7月12日
芝加哥的一名叫做史蒂夫达尔的DJ 把很多人聚集在
when a shock DJ, Steve Dahl, in Chicago, gathered a lot of people together
芝加哥科密斯基公园内焚烧迪斯科专辑
at Comiskey Park in Chicago to burn disco records
在我看来那真是一场不言自明的种族歧视和恐同性质的运动
which is a really, I think, implicitly racist and kind of homophobic movement.
人们想转变流行乐的风格
People wanted to shift the dial of popular music
回到他们习惯的那个样子
back to where they felt comfortable
就是非黑人 非同性恋 非拉丁的
which was not black, not gay, not Latino.
《将这迪斯科燃尽》这歌♥名挺合适
Burn This Disco Out actually might’ve been an apt title
为这首歌♥出现在迪斯科时代的尾声
because it was coming literally at the end of the disco era.
勉强算是迪斯科专辑 同时也属于一个新的流派
Just at the edge of being a disco record, but moving the genre forward.
不同于批量生产的迪斯科音乐 这张专辑提取出迪斯科的节奏
Far from one of the disco factory music that was just churning out factory beats.
让人感受到发自肺腑的力量
You can feel that kind of visceral energy.
《疯狂》就像是惊天一雷
I mean, Off the Wall really is like lightning in a bottle.
你们感受到20岁的迈克尔杰克逊
I mean, you really capture Michael Jackson at 20 years old
with all of that excitement and energy and passion.
充满了激♥情♥ 能量和热情
它们同样也贯穿着这张专辑
That still really comes through on that record.
这是我父母给我买♥♥的最后一张8音轨专辑
This is the very last 8-track that my parents brought me
之后我就不再买♥♥8音轨的了
before I stopped buying 8-tracks.
我记得《疯狂》是在1979年8月第二个周末发行的
I remember Off the Wall coming out second week ofAugust in 1979.
启程专辑可以说是一个歌♥手职业生涯中的一记响炮
Departure album is sort of an album that is in a person’s canon in their career
要通过这张专辑而转型
of which they make a 1 80 turn from what they were known from.
他不再是以前那个玩音乐的小子
He was no longer the teenybopper act
不再是那个在社交场合会害羞 难堪 不适应的痘痘少年
he was no longer the socially shy, awkward, maladjusted guy with acne.
突然间 他变得热情洋溢 充满自信
He was suddenly exuberant, confident.
《疯狂》的专辑封面 就像是他的舞会照片
You look at the album cover of Off the Wall, it’s like his prom picture.
他穿着西装 打着领结 有几分弗兰克辛纳屈和萨米戴维斯的样子
He’s in a suit and tie in the kind of Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis mold.
他成了一个自♥由♥放任的花♥花♥公♥子♥
Now, he’s this free-wheeling playboy
就像纽约大街上的那些男孩子一样
that you can imagine out on the streets of New York.
这又一次改变了他的人生
Again, life-changing.
我认为这是错综复杂的 具有魔力的 具有煸动性的
I think sophisticated, I think glamour, I think provocateur
想怎么看就怎么看
I think everything that I wanted to be.
我很喜欢宣传
Yeah, I’m interested in promotion.
我想做以前从未有人做过的事
I wanna do things that’s never been done before.
如果不是因为宣传 杰克逊五兄弟怎么会成名呢
If it weren’t for promotion, who would know about the Jackson 5?
谁会知道我们的存在
Who would know that we exist?
我可能没法把自己的音乐 传播到不同的国家
I wouldn’t be able to translate my music to different countries
到非洲 日本 新西兰 苏格兰 澳大利亚
Africa, Japan, New Zealand, Scotland, all the way to Australia.
全球音乐的核心胜过某一种跨界
The universal core in music, I think, transcends even what a crossover’s about.
我们将跨界看做黑人和白人市场间的
We view a crossover as being, you know, black and white markets