迈克尔·杰克逊的旅程：由摩城到《墙外》（2016）

and the credibility was questionable.
我会尽我所能提高他们的公信力
I’m gonna give them as much credibility as I possibly can.
我们坐火车去了费城
We got on the train, went to Philadelphia
甘伯和哈夫拉开他们装满了热门唱片的抽屉
Gamble and Huff opened their drawer full of hits.
一想到迪斯科 一想到高质量的迪斯科
When you think of disco and when you think of quality disco
就想去费城
you came to Philadelphia.
让迈克尔杰克逊受教良多的两个人
Two of the people that Michael Jackson learned from, immensely
就是肯尼甘伯和列昴哈夫
were Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff
他们是费城国际的创作者和创办者
who were the creators and entrepreneurs behind Philly International
费城国际唱片
迪斯科乐的所有人
The proprietors of the disco sound.
他们总是像写出制♥作♥出
They had always wanted to write and produce
他们自己的唱片
their own records.
知道我的意思吧 他们想参与制♥作♥过程
You know what I mean, and be a part of the process.
在费城国际就可以
And that’s pretty much what Philly International was.
那里充满了许多自♥由♥的创造
It was a place where we had a lot of creative freedom.
他们写了太多太多的热门歌♥
They wrote tons of hits. Tons, tons of hits.
我们有「蓝音符」乐队
We had Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes.
-有欧杰斯乐队 -可以一一列出来
-We had The O’Jays. -Go through the roster.
有帕蒂拉贝尔
We had Patti LaBelle.
阿奇贝尔与杜雷尔库贝里克
Archie Bell & The Drells.
-菲利斯海曼 -比利保罗
-Phyllis Hyman. -Billy Paul.
-路劳尔斯 泰迪彭德格拉斯 -三度合唱团
-Lou Rawls. We had Teddy Pendergrass. -Three Degrees.
我们设计出的这些歌♥曲 符合他们的声音
We had to style these songs to fit these guys’ voices.
-这是好的制♥作♥人的职责是吗 -当然
-And that’s what great producers do, right? -Sure.
我们几乎快到杰克逊兄弟的录音阶段
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We’re right almost in the middle of a recording session with The Jacksons.
猜猜谁在制♥作♥他们的新专辑
And guess who is producing their brand new album.
-甘伯和哈夫 -没错
-Gamble and Huff. -That’s right.
你们为什么会大老远从加州过来
Now, why would you guys come all the way in from California
来费城进行专辑的部分制♥作♥
to cut some sides in an album in Philadelphia?
为甘伯和哈夫的队伍在这
Because Gamble & Huff’s Organization is here
肯尼甘伯
他们是世界上最出色的制♥作♥人
and they’re two of the best producers in the world.
列昂哈夫
和甘伯 哈夫合作时 他们的节奏比较快
Working with Gamble and Huff they do it in a little quicker pace.
三周时间做出一张唱片
It takes three weeks to make a record.
我之前不知道三周可以做一张唱片 一整张专辑
I didn’t know you could make a record in three weeks, a whole album.
他们是70年代的吉米简和泰瑞路易斯
They were the Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis of the ’70s.
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迈克尔总是说他从肯尼甘伯和列昂哈夫那里
And Michael always says that he learned a lot
了解到了不少写歌♥的过程
about the songwriting process from Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff.
如何构建出一首歌♥曲 如何做出完美的编曲
How to structure a song, how to create great arrangements.
杰克森兄弟在费城呆了两年
The Jacksons came to Philadelphia for two years
制♥作♥了两张唱片《杰克逊兄弟》和《横冲直撞》
to record two records, The Jacksons and Goin’ Places.
我们试图写出能让大家一致表演的
We try to write songs that people do all the time
或者一直唱着的歌♥
or people say things all the time.
杰克逊兄弟 《戴娜!》 1976年11月12日
大家总是说「好好享受」
People say that all the time, you know, “Enjoy yourself.”
音乐就是他的动力 他热爱音乐并且…
He was driven by the music, he loved the music and…
渴望学习
Eager to learn.
成功的一个关键因素就是要听
One of the most important things to being successful is listening.
要去听 去看 并且要成为一个好的共事者
It’s listening and watching and being a good person to work with.
能轻松合作的人
Easy to work with.
如果和别人共同创作
Every song is a negotiation.
那每一首歌♥ 每一次制♥作♥都是一次协商
Every production is a negotiation if you are co-doing it with someone.
制♥作♥人想让我这么来发这个词的音
The producer wanted me to pronounce words a certain way.
有一首歌♥里的歌♥词是这么唱的…
There was a song and there’s a line in it where he sings…
杰克逊兄弟 《命运》 流行之巅 1979年2月8日
「不自然」他唱的时候我就说「这样的英语不行」
“Ain’t naturally,” he sings that and I go, “That’s bad English.”
我说「等等 迈克」然后我出来
So, I say, “Hang on, Mike,” and I come out.
我说「不自然 自然 或者是…」
And I said, “So, it’s like, ‘Isn’t naturally.’ Naturally. Or ‘Isn’t natural.”‘
我告诉他 每一个词的发音都这么准确的话
I told him, you pronounce the word so precisely
就会丢失歌♥曲本身的感觉
it takes away from the feeling of the song
我们偶尔会就这种小事而探讨协商
and we got into a little thing with that.
其中有太多的相互迁就 而有时你并不想迁就
There’s a lot of give and take and sometimes you don’t wanna give.
或者有时你迁就后 会有这种感觉「我应该保留它本身的样子」
Or sometimes you give but you feel like, “I should have left it the way it was.”
我的脑海里有个声音在说「闭嘴吧」
Something said, in my brain, “Shut the fuck up.
别再死扣语法了
“Stop being the grammar police.
这人是个天才 就听他的吧
“This guy is a genius. Just get out of his way.”
我没错 我嬴了
I was right, and I won.
不过这是个很好的学习机会
But it was a good learning point.
你想毫无保留地表达出自己的想法
You want to 100% express your idea.
那就是我百分之百的表达
It’s just 100% expression of me.
我们有两张专辑…
We have two albums…
专辑里的两首单曲都在12月由史诗唱片发行
I mean, two singles on the album coming out in December on Epic.
第一次我们给专辑写了几首歌♥
First time we’ve written some songs on the album.
是全新的风格 不过依然很受欢迎
It was a different style, but still it was a hit record
所以当我们开始把它和我们兄弟之间听到的东西结合起来
so when we start putting that together with what we heard amongst the brothers
就形成了我们自己的音乐风格
it created our own style of music.
是时候写歌♥了
It’s time to write.
你开始知道 是时修亲自上阵了
Something let you know that it’s time for you to go out and do it yourself.
所以我们决定自己写 自己制♥作♥ 我们自己的歌♥
So we decided to write and produce our own songs.
我们终于做到了
And we finally did.
我们经历了这么多
And we went through so much
有人不相信我们 质问我们「你们确定 确定」
with people not believing in your work or saying, “Are you sure? You sure?”
我们说「没错 我们相信自己 我们知道我们能做到」
And we said, “Yeah, we know we can. We know what we can do.”
我们写了《命运》这张专辑
We went in and we wrote the Destiny album.
感觉就是来源于我们的一张专辑
I felt it was something that came within, from us.
这就是杰克逊兄弟
And this is The Jacksons.
这就是那时的我们
This is us today.
《命运》这张专辑发行于1978年
On the Destiny album, which is the album that comes out in 1978
比《疯狂》早一年
a year prior to Off the Wall
他自己开始练习自己创造的舞步
he’s starting to make those moves.
《彻底抖动你的身体》
He wrote Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground).
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你第一次听说这张唱片时是在哪里
Where were you when you first heard about that record?
-是怎么听到的 -他在家里
-How did it happen? -He was at home
兰迪在用钢琴弹奏这个调子
and Randy was playing this groove on the piano.
兰迪杰克逊 《抖动你的身体》 联合作曲
我问他「那是什么」 他说「没什么」
I said, “What is that?” He said, “This is nothing.”
我说「少来了 肯定有什么」
I said, “Don’t say that. It is something.”
我就跟着他弹的开始唱
And I just started singing to his playing.
然后就创作出了这首歌♥
And it came about.
我叫来了我很尊重的一群朋友
I called some of my friends out here that I had a lot of respect for
他们知道如何编曲
that knew how to arrange.
真正制♥作♥出一张专辑的关键 就在于这样的人声乐团
I thought the key to really making an album, of a vocal band like this
当然都是很好的音乐人 有很好的编曲
is obviously great musicians, great arrangements.
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鲍比科洛比说服我更多地参与到编曲中
Bobby Colomby convinced me that I should get more into arranging.
他说「我让你看看你的合作对象」
He said, “And here’s who you’re gonna do it with.”
然后我就发现我和杰克逊兄弟共处一室
And next thing you know, I’m in a room with The Jacksons.
之后克雷格又协助我们录了
Then we brought Greg in to come and help us with the record
《命运》这张专辑
on Destiny album again.
-是的 非常棒 -之后…
-Yeah. Amazing. -Then…
大家都在用克雷格菲林金斯
Everybody was using Greg Phillinganes.
真是…
It was…
我第一次听到《抖动你的身体》的小样时 我…
When I first heard the demo for Shake Your Body, it was…
旋律显然是
Obviously, the melody was there.
很强烈的
Which was very strong.
也有基础的钢琴部分
And they had the basic piano part.
你听到…
That you hear…
所有的节奏都就绪
All that rhythm was there.
《抖动你的身体》原始小样 于海文赫斯特杰克逊家族庄园录制
但并非那么有节奏
But there wasn’t as much going on rhythmically.
克雷格想到…
Greg came up with this…
这就是《彻底抖动你的身体》的节奏
That’s the rhythm of Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground)
整首歌♥的节奏大概就是…
which the average song was more like…
完全吻合
It fit perfectly.
一开始他想到节拍的时候 我说「这人在干嘛呢」
At first, when he came up with that beat, I said, “What is this guy doing?”
我是自言自语的
I said that to myself. I didn’t say anything.
不过我还是等到他演奏完
But I waited until he played it.
他演奏的时候 我们听录音的时候
And when he played it, when we heard it in the record
I said, “Oh, my God! This is the bomb.”
我说「哦 天呐 太棒了」
因为我以前从没听过这样的节拍
‘Cause I had never heard a beat like that before.
非常了不起 很棒的节拍
It was incredible. Great beat.