我不在那儿 I’m Not There（2007）

It picks me.
我的意思是 如果你只是展示那些美丽的事物
Some of it ain’t pretty.
那永远不能改变什么
I mean, how you evergonna change anything
这是他20年来的第一次独家专访
if you only wanna show what’s pretty?
今晚，我们把杰克·罗林斯请来 做一个面对面的现场采访
In his first exclusive interview in 20 years…
# 威廉·赞辛格杀死了可怜的海蒂·卡洛尔#
[歌♥名：The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll 专辑：the times, they are a-changin’（196♥4♥）]
Tonight, we bring you face-to-facewith the real Jack Rollins.
# 用他那挥舞的手杖#
[歌♥词的背景：1960年，这个马里兰州的纨绔子弟 杀死了一个黑人女佣，只被判了半年]
# William Zanzingerkilled poor Hattie Carroll #
# 用他戴着钻石戒指的手指#
# With a cane that he twirled #
他看到了这个世界在发生的点滴
# ‘Round his diamond ring finger #
他有能力将其提炼，并放到歌♥里去
He saw what was going onin the world,
也将讨论提升了一个高度
and he had the abilityto distill it into a song.
我是说，不仅在民谣音乐当中
And this elevated the discussion.
甚至还影响着整个流行乐 整体的提升
I mean, certainlywithin the folk world,
爱丽丝·法比安本身
[原形为乔安·贝茨（Joan Baez） 两人有过浪漫的关系]
but all through popular music,the bar had risen.
在民谣复兴时期就是个领衔人物
Alice Fabian
远在他们俩第一次相遇前 也就是1962年之前几年
was herself a leading figurein the folk revival,
她就已经获得了国际上的成功
achieving international success
嘿，你占了我的椅子呢
a few years beforetheir first meeting in 1962.
当时我是在村子里开的派对上
Hey, you’re in my chair.
这个笨呼呼的小伙子 当时也呆在那里
I was at a party in the Village,
和我的妹妹调情 然后不停地讨好我
and this twerpy little kidwho’d been hanging around,
他开始唱那些用吉他写出来的歌♥
kind of flirting with my baby sisterand kissing up to me,
那时候大概是61还是62年的样子
starts playing these songsthat he’d written on guitar.
其他所有人都是唱着传统的调调
Now, this was ’61, ’62,
而这个孩子，在传统的形式中 加入了对这个时代的关注
and all anybody sang were traditionals,
而且有着不一般的深度，你能想像的到吗？
and here’s this kid, applying traditional formto contemporary concerns,
实在是很有冲击力
but with such insight, you know?
你根本就没法相信那些歌♥ 出自这么一个不起眼的小鬼之手
It was devastating.
没有人写过这样的歌♥
You couldn’t believethis was coming out of this little toad.
就好像是他将我想要表达
Nobody was writing songs like that.
却不知道如何去表达的想法 转化成了声音
It was as if he was giving voice to ideas
嗯，他那些’指手画脚’的歌♥ 他是这么称呼的
that I wanted to expressbut didn’t know how.
就好像传真机出纸那样 一下子能弄出了一大堆来
Um, his finger-pointing songs,he called ’em.
民谣音乐一直以来 都被当作政♥治♥音乐
He was churning them outlike ticker tape.
但他实实在在地将其用艺术形式做了表达
Well, folk music has alwaysbeen a political music,
用一种很深入，多层次的方式
but he was really expressingit as an art form
# 海蒂·卡洛尔是个厨娘#
in a way that was multileveled and very deep.
# 她已经51岁了 #
# Hattie Carrollwas a maid of the kitchen #
# 已经生了10个小孩#
# She was 51 years old #
# 她忙着端盘子倒垃圾 #
# And gave birth to ten children #
# 却从未坐在桌边吃顿饭 #
# Who carried the dishesand took out the garbage #
#甚至没有和餐桌上的人交谈过 #
# And never sat onceat the head of the table #
# 她只是在清理桌上的残羹剩饭#
# And didn’t even talkto the people at the table #
# 然后把另一层楼的所有烟灰缸清理干净 #
# She just cleaned upall the food from the table #
# 却被一个手杖一击毙命 #
# And emptied the ashtrayson a whole other level #
每天晚上
# Got killed by a blow,lay slain by a cane #
我都会把这个穿着邋遢的小家伙喊上台
Every night,
然后将杰克·罗林斯介绍给整个美国
I would call this ragamuffin on stage
我当时说，你知道么 他有些话要说
and introduce Americato Jack Rollins.
而有一点你要知道，他是在替我
I’d say, you know,that he has something to say,
替所有渴望拥有一个更好的世界的人在说话
you know, and that he is…he is speaking for me
# 但你们这些试图将耻辱形而上#
and everybody who wantsa better world.
# 控诉所有恐惧的人#
# Oh, but you whophilosophize disgrace #
# 快把脸深深地埋入手帕中 #
# And criticize all fears #
# 现在轮到你们哭泣了#
# Bury the rag deep in your face #
他知道如何把他见到的内容
# Now is the time for your tears #
去芜存精
He knows how to peel the surface
他的歌♥就像是还原了事情的原貌和本质
from what he sees.
我在他的歌♥里发现了一种穿透力
His songs are like a true visionof how things really are.
关注着现今社会事件的本质
Well, I just findhe’s the most piercing
这简直是出乎意料的
and aware insight working today.
我们感到非常满意和骄傲
You’d have thought we invented it,
很明显，这在民谣的发展路程上 形成了一种倾向
we were so pleased and proud.
对于萧条时期的回顾、怀旧
Sure, there was a certain tendencyin the folk movement
还有随之而来的民族主义关注
for nostalgia about the Depression
他们总是催生在那些糟糕的时期
and the radicalismthat came out of it.
比如麦卡锡时期，艾森豪威尔时期
[译注：泛指美国20世纪50年代，具体请google -。-]
They were coming outof a shitty time…
所以，只要民谣仍旧处于小众群体当中
the McCarthy era, Eisenhower era.
我们就总是在针砭 这个庞大、糟糕商业化社会的糟糕品味
So, as long as folk remainedstrictly a minority taste,
但是当这个巨大且糟糕的商业社会
it would always be us against the big, badcommercial tastelessness.
终于找上杰克时
But when the big, bad commercialtastelessness
在突然间
finally caught on to Jack,
一场竞赛不可避免的开始了
then, well, all of a sudden,
而且这一次，必须有人成为赢家
the race was on.
他是反抗政♥府♥的代表
And this time,somebody was going to win.
而我想要录制下示♥威♥和抗♥议♥的内容
He was a rebel.
当然，后来整个越南的事情
I wanted to record protest.
证明我们的选择是对的
Of course, that’s rightwhen we were getting
1963年之后，杰克就不再进行示♥威♥抗♥议♥了
into that whole Nam business.
他说，你不可能凭着一首歌♥ 就促成事件的改变
Jack really stopped protesting after 1963.
你能做的，不过是把内心的东西写出来
He said that you couldn’teffect change with a song.
而民谣，他这样说，就是，呃…
You could only writeabout what was inside you,
就是个胖子
and folk music, he said, was, um…
他说那让他想起了当权派
was fat people.
你知道的，他一直在同当权者斗争
He said it made him feellike the Establishment,
# 你会去寻找，宝贝 #
[歌♥名：I’ll Keep It With Mine 专辑：Nico的Chelsea Girl（1967）]
you know, and he alwaysfought the Establishment.
# 你会去寻找，宝贝#
# You will search, babe #
# 不计一切代价 #
# At any cost #
# 所有人都会帮助你 #
# Everybody will help you #
# 有些人很友善 #
# Some people are very kind #
# 如果我… #
# And if I… #
# 能帮助到你 #
# Can save you any time #
# 来吧，交给我 #
# Come on, give it to me #
# 我会时刻随身携带 #
# I’ll keep it with mine #
要当个诗人
You don’t have to write anything down
并不需要你把诗写下来
to be a poet.
有些人在加油站工作
Some work in gas stations.
有些人给别人擦鞋
Some shine shoes.
我也不喜欢这么称呼自己 因为我不喜欢这个词
I don’t really call myself one,’cause I don’t like the word.
我，我就是个表演空中飞人的
Me, I’m a trapeze artist.
目睹、聆听还有呼吸着这些事实
Sighting it and hearing itand breathing it in,
将他们都揉搓进我皮肤的毛孔里去
rubbing it all in the pores of my skin.
微风从我的眼前抚过
And the wind between my eyes
将蜂蜜滴入我的蜂巢中
knocking honey in my comb.
你觉得他会是个侏儒么？
You reckon he’s some kind of midget?
离开那里，笨蛋！
Get off of there, grunt!
我什么都还没有作
I ain’t doing nothing!
现在看看你干了什么！
Now look what you done!
你会说英语吗？
You talk English?
是的，先生
Yes, sir.
你身上带着钱吗？孩子
You carrying money, boy?
武器呢？
Weapons?
没，没有，先生
N-No, sir.
他在撒谎
He’s lying.
这是什么？
What’s that?
这是你的小提琴？
That your fiddle? Huh?
还给我！
Give it back. Huh?
这上面写了什么东西？
What’s it say on that thing?
你在里面藏了什么东西？
What you got stashed in here?
没有!
Nothing!
抓住这小子！
Get him, boys!
啊！
Ahh!
啊，你这小…
Ah, you little…
给我
Give me…
这就是我们年轻的 小家伙民谣歌♥手
This here young’un,the Tiny Troubadour,
准备给我们唱首歌♥
is going to sing a little song.
那么，是什么风把你带到这地方来的？
So what bring you around these parts?
我发誓，他的口气跟个老家伙似的
Could’ve sworn he was an older man.