第四公民

Why you’ve done that, what you’ve done
我想先把这部分做了
And I love to do that first
好的
Ok
因为你是公开告密第一人
In part because you are the only one who can do that
所以我想先完成这部分
So I would like to get that done, just let’s get that done
还有个原因是可能你也想先做这部分
And also because you know, it might be that you want to do that early
我们有必要早点做这部分
It’s necessary we might choose to have that done early
说说你对这些事情的看法吧
Tell me your thoughts on what you are with that
我这么做主要的原因
The primary one on that
我也说过很多次了
I think I’ve expressed a couple of times is
就是我觉得现在的媒体都很关注名人
I feel the modern media is a big focus on personalities
对
Totally
我担心我们对名人关心得越多
I’m a little concerned that the more we focus on that
就越会被分散注意力
the more they’re gonna use that as a distraction
我不想发生这样的事
I don’t necessarily want that happen
所以我一直说
which is why I consistently said, you know
我不是故事的中心
I’m not the story here
你太紧张了
Nervous
这支笔买♥♥的时候好用又便宜
That is very good, very cheap then
现在破了
It looks like the is broke
继续吧
Go ahead
只要是能帮助你们的事我都会去做
But, yeah, anything I can do to help you guys to get this out I’ll do
对媒体我没有经验
I don’t have any experience with media here, with how this works
所以我现在是边走边学
I’m kinda learning as I go
我想知道的是
So, I’m just wanna get a sense
你为什么要这么做
of why did you decided to what you’ve done
对于我来说 归根结底就是国家权力
So, for me it all comes down to state power
和人♥民♥反抗力量的抗衡
against people’s ability to meaningfully oppose that power
我每天坐在办公室里
And I’m sitting there everyday
拿工资 扩大国家权力
getting paid to design methods to amplify that state power
然后我意识到
And I’m realizing that if, you know the policies
你知道政策是唯一能够限制国家权力的
which is, that they are the only things that will strain these states
如果我们被改变了
We’re changed
那我们就没有办法反抗
There, you couldn’t meaningfully oppose these
除非你是超级厉害的技术人员
I mean you have to be the most incredibly sophisticated tech collector in existence
不管一个人多么厉害
I mean, I’m not sure there’s anybody, no matter how gifted you are
多么有能力 设备有多少
who could oppose all of the offices, all of the right people
我认为他都不可能反抗政♥府♥机构和手握重权的人
even all the mediocre people out there
甚至是连里面最平庸的人可能也反抗不了
with all of the tools and all the capabilities
奥巴马政♥府♥背弃了所做的承诺
As I saw the promise of the Obama administration
把这一切抛之脑后
be betrayed and walked away from it
事实上 在实现承诺方面
In fact, actually advance the things that had been promised
他们不仅偷工减料 行动迟滞 甚至还食言
to be, sort of, curtailed, reined in and dailed back
事情变得越来越糟糕
It actually got worse
尤其是我在国♥家♥安♥全♥局得知的无人机
particularly drone strikes which I also learned in NSA we could
我们可以查看无人机的视频
we could watch drone videos
这是非常机密的
that’s tops
这更坚定了我的决心
As, as I saw that really harden me to action
视频是实时的吗
In real time?
对 实时的
In real time, yes
会有一小段画质不高的视频连到你的桌面
A little stream, a lower quality of the video to your desktop
一般来说是无人监视机
Typically, you will be watching surveillance drones supposedly, actually
但其实都是一直跟在某个人背后的杀人机
Murder drones really going out there behind somebody
这些无人机就一直在某个人家附近
But you have a drone, it’s just following somebody’s house for hours and hours
但是你不知道那个人是谁
You won’t know who it is
因为整个命令内容你不知道
Because, you know, you don’t have the context for that
你收到的文件会是一个或者多个无人机监视不同国家的
But it’s just a page or it’s lists and lists of drone feeds of all these different countries
影像视频文件 代号♥都不同
on all these different code names
点击就能查看
You can just click on which one you want to see
如果你的愿望是住在一个
Right, but, so if your self interest is to live in a world,
有高度隐私权的国家
much, there is a maximum privacy
你这样做会让你受牢狱之灾
Doing something that could put you into prison
你的隐私还会荡然无存
in which your privacy is completely destroyed
几乎是和你的愿望背道而驰
sort of antithesis of that
为什么你觉得这么做值得呢
How did you reach the point where that is worthwhile calculation for you?
我还记得在被监视之前网络是什么样子的
I remember what the internet was like before I was being watched
之前从来没有过类似网络的这种东西
And there’s never been anything in the history of man is like it
位于世界一头的孩子们在任何时间 任何地点
I mean, you could, again, you can have children from one part of the world
都可以和专家进行平等的讨论
having an equal discussion
讨论什么都行
Where, you know, they were sort of granted, the same respect
而另一头的专家
for their ideas in conversation with experts in the field from another part of the world
也会给予他们尊重
On any topic, anywhere, anytime, all of the time
这时候的网络完全是自♥由♥没有限制的
And it was, it was free and unrestrained
然后我们发现这种模式逐渐发生改变
That we’ve seen the chilling of that, the calling of that, the change of that model
人们对自己的言论开始变得非常小心翼翼
towards something which people self-police their own views
大家都会开玩笑说
And they literally make jokes about ending up on the list
你给什么党派捐款 或者在讨论中说了什么话
if they donate to a political cause
有可能就会被列在监视名单上
Or if they say something in the discussion
都有一个心理预期 我们是在被监视着的
And, and it’s become an expectation that they’re being watched
有些人说
Many people love to talk
他们对自己在搜索引擎里打的内容都很谨慎
have mentioned that they’re careful about what they type into search engines
因为他们知道这些都会有记录
because they know that it’s being recorded
他们的思想都受到了限制
The limits, the boundaries of their intellectual exploration
比起让我和其他跟我一样的人
And, I’m, I am more willing to risk imprisonment or any other negative outcome personally
承受思想受到约束的痛苦
Than I am willing to risk the curtailment of my intellectual freedom
我宁愿我个人承受牢狱之灾或者其他不好的结果
And that of those around me who might care for equally as I do for myself
不能说我是在自我牺牲
And again, that’s not to say that I’m self sacrificing
因为如果我能为他人利益作出奉献
Because it gives me, I feel good in my human experience to know that
我自己也感到很高兴
I can contribute to the good of others
你的说得详细一点吗
Could you elaborate on that?
我不知道一共有多少个监视项目
So, I don’t know how much the programs are there
基本上的技术难点我都说过了
the actual technical opacity I’ve basically talked to you about
但是在美国和全球其他范围内的某个地方有一个设施
But there is an infrastructure in place in United States and worldwide
是国♥家♥安♥全♥局和其他政♥府♥合建的
That NSA has built incorporation with other governments as well
所有电子通讯
That intercepts basically every digital communication
无线电通讯
every radio communication
只要是有传感器可以探测到的模拟信♥号♥♥通讯都会被拦截
Every analog communication that has sensors in place to detect
这些设备
And with these capabilities
基本上对大部分人类通讯
Basically the vast majority of
及计算机对计算机通讯
human and computer-to-computer communications
设备通讯 只要是进行
device-based communication, which sort of inform relationship
信息传递的 不需要锁定目标
between humans are automatically ingested without targeting
就能自动提取通讯内容
and that allows individuals
还可以让其他人通过特定的关键词
to retral actively search your communications
搜索你的通讯记录
based on self sophistication
举个例子
so for example
比如我想看你的邮件内容
if I want to see the content of your email
你妻子的电♥话♥记录之类的
you know, your wife’s phone calls, anything like that
我要做的是用一个”选择词”
All I have to do is to use what’s called a “selector”
就是在通讯渠道中
Any kind of thing in the communication’s chain
关于你的特殊信息
That might uniquely or almost uniquely identify you as an individual
比如邮箱 IP地址 电♥话♥号♥码
I’m talking about things like email addresses, IP addresses, phone numbers
银行卡♥号♥♥ 甚至是密♥码♥ 只要是单单只属于你的信息
credit cards even passwords that are unique to you that aren’t used by anyone else
我都可以输入这个系统
I can input those into the system
这个系统不仅会在现有的数据库中进行搜索
And it will not only go back through the database
而且还会在过去记录中搜索
And go have I seen this anywhere in the past
这个系统还具有额外的
It’ll basically put in an additional level scrutiny on it
未来搜索模式
moving into the future
如果我输入的信息在将来某个时候匹配到对象
That says if this is detected now or anytime in the future
就可以立即搜索到目标
I want this to go immediately and alert me in real time
并报告我你正在和别人进行通讯
that you’re communicating with someone things like that
我现在还不知道你是谁
So I don’t know who you are
或者关于你的事情
or anything about you
嗯
Ok
我为国防承包商博思艾伦谘询公♥司♥工作
Uh, I work for Booz Allen Hamilton, the defense contractor
我是借调到国♥家♥安♥全♥局的
I am sort of on loan to the NSA
博思艾伦谘询公♥司♥的老板不会找我
I don’t talk to Booz Allen boss
也不会联♥系♥我
I don’t get texting from Booz Allen
我的工作都直接来自国♥家♥安♥全♥局
It’s all from NSA
我还不知道你的名字
So, I don’t know your name
哦 对不起 我叫爱德华·斯♥诺♥登 可以叫我爱德