第四公民

不管你的职位等级是多少
which allows you to be exposed to information of any classification
各个权限的信息你都可以访问
regardless of what your position actually needs
在节目结束之前
…Just before we go
让我们再次重温一下今天的头条新闻
a reminder of our top story
中情局已经认定其雇员爱德华·斯♥诺♥登
CIA took the co-worker Edward Snowden, says
泄露了机密信息
He’s responsible for leaking information
披露美国政♥府♥监控电♥话♥和网络数据
that US authority has been monitoring phone and Internet data
美国司法部证实
The US justice department confirmed it’s in the third status
现在正在犯罪调查的第三阶段
on a criminal investigation
你觉得我
Leave it longer or cut it shorter
剃长点好还是短点好
what do you think
跟电视采访的时候
As far as the video, the people saw
比起来
In my for now, was it
没办法都剃光
’cause I can’t go all the way down this
可能还会有胡渣
It could still be stumble
我没有能剃得更干净的剃须刀
and I don’t have the blade for closer
你今天会和媒体谈论这个事情吗
Are you going to talk to other media about this story today
会的
I am
你能够…
Will you be coming through…
斯♥诺♥登在哪里 他有什么计划
…about where is Snowden now? What his plans are
我不想说这个
Well, obviously, I’m not gonna talk about that
你的问题…
So I must need your question’s just gonna be pretty, pretty…
你的计划是什么
What are your plans? Please
你目前还呆在香港吗
Are you staying in HK for the time being
会在这里停留一会儿
For a little while
你对继续报道这个事件有希望吗
Do you have any hopes to write more about this story
还是说你就不报道了
or are you stopping new writing about this story
我会继续下去的
No, I’m liking continue writing about it
对于继续报道这件事
Have you had any pressure from the US authorities
美国政♥府♥有给你压力吗
about continuing to report on this
没有
No
你有没有听说
And have you heard anything about
香港政♥府♥在此次事件中
what could be the ask of Hong Kong authorities
有什么要求
toward what’ s in the case
他们有没有联♥系♥你询问斯♥诺♥登的行踪
Whether they contacted you or asked you anything about the whereabouts of Snowden
他们有没有选择另外的…
Whether they have chosen another…
我没有收到任何来自政♥府♥的消息
I have not heard from the authorities of any of them
你觉得对你 对斯♥诺♥登
Do you, where do you think this story is going
对美国媒体和美国政♥府♥来说
For you and of course for Snowden and of course
事情会怎么发展下去
for the US media and the US administration in general
我只能说说我个人方面
Well, for me, I can tell, I’m gonna continue report on
我会继续报道政♥府♥在这件事情上所作的一切
do my reporting on what the government has been doing
以及我认为我的读者应该知道的内♥幕♥
and what I think my readers should know about it
对于他 我相信没有人知道
As for him, I don’t think anyone knows
人们可能会追捕我
I could have people come after me
或者任何他们的第三方伙伴
Or any of their third party partners
他们和很多个国家关系都很亲密
You know, they’re close to a number of other nations
他们也可以买♥♥通帮会
Or you know they could pay off the triads
或者找到任何特工或者有利的条件
Any of their agents or assets
旁边路上就有一个中情局工作站
We’ve got a CIA station just up the road
美国驻香港领♥事♥馆♥…
The consulate here in HK
三分之一的国家 120亿人口处在失业中…
Around the third of the country, 12 billion people are not going to work
今天的头条新闻
The top story
揭发了国♥家♥安♥全♥局监听电♥话♥
Facing a criminal investigation
和拦截网络信息的告密者
the whistleblower who leaked the details
今日现明正身
On how NSA monitoring phone calls
面临刑事调查
and internet data growing public
阿富汗安♥全♥部♥队称
The security forces in Afghanistan
一批塔♥利♥班♥叛军袭击了喀布尔机场
say a number of Taliban insurgents have targeted a Kabul’s airport
现在是评论报纸时间
now it’s time for paper review
来看看今天又哪些世界头条新闻
and look what’s making headline around the world
我们先从卫报开始
Let’s start with Guardian
今天的头条是告密者现明正身
our top story which is revealing the identity
为前任中情局雇员
of the former CIS employee
报道称泄露的信息暴露了
The paper says the leaked information exposing the scale
美国对网络监视的规模
on American surveillance of the internet
爱德华·斯♥诺♥登
Edward Snowden
真是个好故事
What a great story
你怎么看
What do you say
真是个不可思议的故事
It’s a fantastic story
完全就像约翰·勒卡雷的小说
First of all, it could be straight out of John le Carre’s novel
当你知道他做了什么
I mean when you read what he did
对 他是拿到了很多资料
yes he got the material
然后他决定亮明身份
he then decided to go the place to indentify himself
我靠
God damn it
因为他在香港
…which is HK
中国是一♥国♥两♥制♥
because importing technically…inside China
所以在那里
the one country, two system policies there
他可能会得到一些保护
meaning he would get the potentially some protection he thought
这些都计划得很好
all very well planned
简直就是间谍小说
could be just our of the spy novels
但是关于细节…
but what about the details
我越弄越糟了 但是
I could make it worse but
我也不知道
I’m not sure
只是我的脸的下半部分…
just the lower half of my face
斯♥诺♥登称国♥家♥安♥全♥局权力的不断扩大
Snowden says he’s becoming increasing dismayed
让他心生恐惧
by that he saw as the growing power of the NSA
非常坚定地要披露文件
and insists his decisions to passing on documents
这些文件不仅暴露了多个组织
which said to reveal not only organizations
在监听电♥话♥记录
monitor millions of phone calls
而且还透露
but that have direct access
你感觉怎么样
How do you feel?
该发生的都发生了
What happens happens
我们也说过了
we’ve talked about this
我知道风险
I know the risk
如果我被捕了就被捕了
If I get arrested, I get arrested
我们还是要拿到这些信息
We are able to get the information
需要公布的就公布
the needed to get out out
不管在我身上发生什么事
and you and Glenn are able to keep reporting
你和格伦都要继续报道
regardless what happens to me
29岁的爱德华·斯♥诺♥登称美国情报局
now, 29 year old Edward Snowden says the US intelligence agency
搜集了上百万的电♥话♥记录
got millions of phone records
并一直监控网络数据
and monitored internet data
卫报根据他的要求
the Guardian paper revealed his identity
对不起 你打错电♥话♥了
I’m afraid you have the wrong room, thank you
华尔街日报
Wall street Journal
请再重复一遍
Yes, I’m sorry, say again
哦 不用了
No, no thank you
没人会给我打电♥话♥
No calls
他们找错人了
I think they have the wrong number
对 没人会给我打电♥话♥
Yeah, no calls, thank you
如果是在前台的两个男人
Wait, I’m sorry, if it’s, it’s two men from the front desk
他们可以打电♥话♥给我
They can call
其他电♥话♥就不用接了
But no else calls
你就直接让他们上来
Wait, actually just let them through
等等 小姐 我靠
Wait, wait Ma’am, fuck
等等 是一名律师吗
Yes, wait, is it a lawyer?
不是 我是问那个问你的人
No, no, no, I mean the people who are asking
问问他们是不是律师
Ask them if they are lawyers
告诉她打错电♥话♥了
No, tell her that she has the wrong number
这里没有斯♥诺♥登
and there’s no Mr Snowden here
嗨 罗伯特 现在方便说话吗
Hi Robert, can you talk right now?
我安全到达房♥间了
I safely got into room.
-我现在跟客户很安全 可以了吗 -好的
-I’m now salfly with the client.OK? -It’s OK.
我们能谈谈计划吗
So, can we talk toghter about plan?
避难申请开始了吗 还是
Did this application start already or what? Technically?
但是 所以是还没有开始
Yes, but? so technically it hasn’tstarted yet.
可不可以放扩音器
Would you mind to talk in speakerphone?
不好意思
Sorry.
-你在吗 -在 你好
-Hey Robert? -Yeah, hi.