我告诉昆汀,史蒂文会有自己的粉丝
I told Quentin Stephen was gonna have his fans.
史蒂文能读能写能算
Stephen could read, write, count,
这些事都能做
do all those things,
而且他有伪装
and he had a disguise.
他把自己伪装成一个虚弱的老头
He disguised himself as a feeble old man.
可他并不是
and he wasn’t.
而且他认识到在糖果农场范围之内
And he realized that inside the confines of Candyland
他就是国王
he was king.
即便是加尔文在家,他还是国王
Even when Calvin was home, he was king.
他要留在大房♥子裡?
He’s gonna stay in the big house?
史蒂文,他是个奴隶商人
Stephen, he’s a slaver.
这不一样
It’s different.
住大房♥子裡?
In the big house?
角色就是角色
The character is the characters.
我认为这就是大家喜爱他的角色的原因
And that’s why I think people love his characters
它们实实在在
is that they are honest,
不管你喜不喜欢它们,认不认同它们
whether you like them, whether you agree with them or disagree with them,
它们就是它们
they are who they are.
这部影片已引发争论
The film has already sparked controversy
围绕其重複使用那个“N”打头的词
over its repeated use of the “N” word.
而现在,导演斯派克·李说他不会去看
And now, Director, Spike Lee says he won’t go to see it.
斯派克,斯派克·李他…
Spike, Spike Lee’s,
你知道,我尊重斯派克·李,你知道
you know and I respect Spike Lee, you know
但斯派克·李就是那个人
but Spike Lee’s that guy.
你知道你不会…斯派克·李就像是…
You know, you don’t…it’s like Spike Lee is like the-
那个老伙计,有着漂亮的小房♥子和草坪
the old dude with the nice little house that has the grass.
不准你踏上我的草地,你这干♥你♥妈♥的
Don’t you get on my grass, you little motherfuckers.
那是我的草地,每一片草都是
That’s my grass, every blade of it is.
干♥你♥妈♥的
Little motherfuckers.
你知道
You know.
你不可能让塞缪尔·杰克逊满口“黑鬼黑鬼”
You’re not gonna get Samuel Jackson to say nigger, nigger, nigger
只要他觉得这有损于他人的人格
if he feels he’s demeaning anybody.
我是说 塞缪尔·杰克逊会转向你告诉你怎么去做
You know, I mean Samuel Jackson’s gonna turn to
你接受《为奴十二年》
You take Twelve Years A Slave,
一般认为是一位“作者导演”拍的
which is supposedly made by an “auteur”,
所以史蒂芬·麦奎因跟昆汀非常不一样
so Steve McQueen’s very different from Quentin.
所以裡面有一首歌♥
So when you have a song
说了300次“黑鬼”,没人说半句屁话
that says nigger three hundred times in it and nobody says shit.
黑鬼跑
Nigger run,
黑鬼飞,黑鬼把衬衣撕成两半
nigger flew, nigger tore his shirt in two
快跑快跑,要不绞肉机会追上你,快跑黑鬼
run run or the pattyroller will get you Run nigger
你最好快点跑
run Well you better get away
所以,他用这词就没事
So, it’s okay for him to use it
因为他是从艺术上攻击这个体制
because he’s artistically attacking the system
或是大家认为并感觉是这样
or the way people think and feel in a way.
而昆汀这么做只是…
Then Quentin’s just doing it to
像是用指甲抓黑板,你知道
scrape the blackboard with his nails. You know
而这不是真的
and that’s not true.
他所写的任何东西都没有不正直
There is no dishonesty in anything that he writes
不管大家怎么谈论怎么感觉怎么说
or how people talk, feel, or speak.
就是这样
There you go!
消费者,特别是黑人消费者
The consumer, especially black consumers,
他们理解这是一部电影
they understand that it’s a movie.
有时候我们对所有事物的敏感性有点过了
Sometimes we get a little overboard with our sensitivity level with- with everything,
因为其实没人真正注意这些
because nobody was really payin’ attention to that.
他们来看他们最喜欢的导演
They were comin’ to see their favorite director
执导一些他们最喜欢的明星
direct some of their favorite stars.
只要是昆汀,只要是塞缪尔
If it’s Quentin, if it’s Samuel,
只要是李奥,是克裡斯托弗
if it’s Leo, it’s Christoph,
凯莉·华盛顿,还有我
Carry Washington, and myself,
我发现我们很难把它搞砸锅
I- I just find it hard for us to fuck that up.
三个全是顶级的
All three are champions.
桑姆森是顶级的
Samson’s a champion.
另外两个很不错
Them other two pretty good.
你知道 我们生活在一个事事都很政♥治♥正确的社会
You know we live in a very politically correct society now to where almost everything,
几乎有点要扼杀艺术了
it almost chokes art a little bit.
事情就是这样
That’s just the way it was.
你叫什么名字,伙计?
What’s your name, boy?
他的名字是姜戈·弗裡曼(自♥由♥人)
His name is Django Freeman.
他的那些角色是他的一部分
His characters are a part of him.
他就是这么去创造的
It’s how he creates.
但它们对于他是活生生会呼吸的
But they’re living breathing characters to him.
他妈妈告诉过我一个很棒的故事
There’s a great story that his mom told me
说他还是小男孩时,在玩他的特种部队玩偶
about when he was a little boy and he was playing with his GI Joes
他在说一些粗话
and he was using foul language.
我想就是些,你知道的
And I think it was like, you know,
“我♥干♥,去死”你知道的那一类
“Fuck you. Die.” And you know, like, whatever.
她从拐角过来,说
And she came around the corner and she was like,
“昆汀,别说那种话”
Quentin, don’t you use that language.
而他说:“不是我,妈妈”
And he said, “It’s not me, Mom.
“是这些家伙
It’s just the guys.
“他们就是这样说话的”
That’s how they talk.”
我数了两支枪,黑鬼
I count two guns, Nigger.
你说过在这个种植园76年
You said in seventy-six years on this plantation,
你见过各种各样施加于黑鬼的酷刑
you’ve seen all manner of shit done to niggers,
但我发现
but I notice…
你没提到碎膝盖
you didn’t mention kneecapping.
哦,老天
Oh, God!
干♥你♥妈♥的
Motherfucker!
李奥纳多·迪卡普裡奥说“黑鬼”这个词有困难
Leonardo DiCaprio had a problem saying the word nigger.
“伙计…
“Pal.
“伙计,这个
Pal, it’s just.
“要我说这话太难了”
It’s tough for me to say this.”
然后,我记得萨缪尔·杰克逊说
And, uh, I remember Samuel Jackson going,
“克服它,干♥你♥妈♥
Get over it, motherfucker.
“这不过是又一个周二,干♥你♥妈♥的
This is just another Tuesday, motherfucker.
“我他妈才不管这帮溷蛋
I don’t give a fuck about these motherfuckers.
“看看,看看我是谁,干♥你♥妈♥的
Look at- look at who I am, motherfucker.
“我♥干♥”,然后我就…
Fuck! And it was like…
你知道,我说:“没错”
You know, and I said, “Yeah.”
我说:“李奥,李奥,我们不是朋友”
I said, “Leo, Leo, we’re- we’re not friends.”
我说:“这不过是又一个周四
I said, “This is just another Thursday.
“那是你的财产
This is your property.
“这些都不是人
These aren’t humans.
“这些是你的财产”
These are your property.”
然后等李奥第二天来的时候
And when Leo came in the next day,
简直像是…我说:“怎么样,李奥?
it was literally like, I was like, “What’s up, Leo?
“怎么样,兄dei?”
What’s up fam?”
他没说话
He didn’t speak.
你们不介意我用我觉得合适的方式处置这黑鬼吧?
You won’t mind me handling this nigger anyway I see fit.
他是你的黑鬼
He’s your nigger.
斯通塞弗先生
Mr. Stonesipher
让玛莎和那些母狗 送达达尼安去黑鬼天堂吧
let Marshall and the bitches send D’Artagnan to nigger heaven.
昆汀认可我们传送回那个时代
Quentin allowed us to transport back to that time
那真的很真实,是有意为之
and it was- it was really real. It was intent.
李奥纳多有个大型连续镜头
Leonardo had that gigantic sequence
就在他开始了解舒尔茨和姜戈的意图那裡
where he becomes wise to what Schultz and Django are up to.
他把手往下拍,打碎了玻璃杯
He brought his hand down and smashed the glass.
然后 血沿着他的手往下流
So now blood is running down his hand.
他有点脸色变白
He’s kind of getting white.
李奥绝无停顿
Leo never breaks.
他一路演下去,因为他知道这是很棒的一条
He goes all the way through ’cause he knows it’s a great take.
我们说到哪儿了?
Where were we?
昆汀就在那裡,就在他旁边的镜头那裡
Quentin’s right there, right at the lens next to him,
不是在什么视讯中心
not in some video village.
事实上昆汀拍电影也没有监视器
In fact there are no monitors on a Quentin Tarantino movie.
并没有视讯中心
There is no video village.
你可以现场看表演
And you can see it in the performances.
这个布隆希达是我的财产
Broomhilda here is my property
而我可以选择对自己的财产 做任何我想要做的
and I can choose to do with my property whatever I so desire.